1969 XLCH spark control spiral

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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby Zaemo » Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:22 pm

Seems everyone I've ever heard says the V-Twin stuff is to be avoided. Searching around for the -58 spiral seems to only bring up that one mfg. Colony has the other pieces like the plunger and the rollers and pin etc. Is there someone else making these parts I should be aware of?

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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby ThumpStreet » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:41 am

I've read the same thing about aftermarket V Twin parts.Unfortunately,I got stymied into buying an aftermarket -58 spiral off of EBay.It was unpackaged and sold as original Harley p/n so I took the dive.Might have missed the fine print in my initial delight of thinking I solved one previous owner issue.I have read that some of the salty mechanics out there have a rework procedure to make them work as advertised.Is anyone out there familiar with what's involved with correcting the aftermarket spiral if it doesn't work?Some out there will say you don't need the manual advance anyway.I agree, but if the factory had it that way, I want it operating on mine.
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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby mikeslemmon » Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:26 am

_58 sleeve may be the same as servicar left hand throttle
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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby dr dick » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:51 pm

paul here is some deeper info for your handle bar page.
i do believe this covers every production bar 52-72.

as far as factory fitments:
67> is pretty clear by using part cat listings
66< not so much.
ie: long bars were fitted up to at least 1960 probl by dealer order, book says e57.
speedsters on 66ch is real, but the book realy dont address the right side correctly.

in the following
ls= left side
rs= right side

long bars (high bucks)
56083-52 rs
56084-52 ls
52 only. uses grip retention collars

56083-53 rs no switch holes
56083-58 rs direction switch holes
56083-53 ls horn and hi-low
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speedsters
56085-53 ls horn and hi-low, twist grip
56085-65 ls horn and hi-low, no twist grip
56086-53 rs no holes
56086-58 rs directionals
56065-66? (66ch) rs kill button. part number is unsure. could also be 56086-53a.

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buckhorns
56069-70 rs directionals only
56078-67 rs starter and directionals
56078-69a rs starter and directionals. drilled for front brake lite wires.
56083-57 rs no holes
56083-65 rs kill button.
56083-69a rs kill & drilled for front brake lite wires.
56093-70 rs no holes (may be same as 56083-57)

56084-57 ls horn & hi-low, twist grip.
56084-65 ls horn & hi-low, no twist grip.

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xl bars
56081-68 ls horn, hi-low, twist grip
56087-68 ls horn, hi-low, no twist grip
56085-68 rs starter, directionals
56086-69 rs starter, directionals hole for front brake lite wires.
56089-69 rs kill button.

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laconias/sport
56087-58 ls (kill 58ch) horn and twist grip capable. used immolbizing spacer.
56087-58a ls horn, no twist capable.
56087-63 ls horn, hi-low, no twist.
56087-65 ls horn, hi-low, twist grip.

56068-70 rs directionals
56082-70 rs no holes
56085-67 rs starter, directionals
56085-69a rs starter, directionals, hole for front brake lite wire
56088-58 rs no holes.
56088-59 rs kill or starter
56088-69a rs starter drilled for front brake lite wires.
56088-59 rs kill button.
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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby sportsterpaul » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:47 am

Good gosh this is fantastic. I will get these into that little chart and post as soon as its done. As I have said, that chart is a simple HTML table and if Dave or anyone else wants it, they can cut-and-paste it from the webpage. Rev 3 is on the way.

One reason I really enjoy seeing these things is that it shows a little of what Harley was facing and what they were thinking. When you look at all the possibilities of different handlebars in the early 1970s, it makes perfect sense why Harley just gave up and went to buckhorns switchgear in the lever housings in 1973. I have to believe this was part-and-parcel with their going to a disk front brake in 1973. I think most of us would agree that the exposed throttle and clunky switch housings are a lot less beautiful than when the handlebars had the switches and cables.
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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby dr dick » Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:27 pm

73 was the half and half year.
the only bars were bucks, and they still had the internal throttle (last yr for this).
but
the switches were now in the perches. and the wire ran along (rather than inside) the bar.
so
73 was the only year with internal throttle and external switches / wiring.

to identify these bars:
56083-73 rs two 1/8" holes along the underside of bar to accept spring clips that held the wires.
56084-73 ls two 1/8" holes along the underside of bar to accept spring clips that held the wires.

the one pc stainless bars with the external throttle debuted in 74.
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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby strong56KH » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:11 am

I think there is an original? -58 spiral on Fleabay if anyone is still looking for one. At least the spiral is going in the opposite direction of any that I have.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252176049399?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT
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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby sportsterpaul » Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:36 pm

Yup, that is a -58 spiral. There is a picture posted on page 2 that shows both spirals. Man, 44 bucks? I think I will dig out some of my spirals and list them on eBay this weekend.
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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby EKHKHK56 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:35 pm

That`s good info... :)
Last edited by EKHKHK56 on Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:01 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: 1969 XLCH spark control spiral

Postby Zaemo » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:14 pm

This is the K/ Early Sportster section, right? Isn't the spiral sleeve common to both subgroups in operation and part numbers etc?
Didn't know I was stealing bandwidth away from you.

My apologies.
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